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WeeSam


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8th Nov 2020
Re: An open letter to the new CEO of the Ski Club of GB
Date Posted: 13.08hrs on Wed 21 Jan 15
tim Wrote:
how you figure i'm insecure in my "indentity", i'm all ears.



that exact post rambling about "Tories...Westminster...The BNP" (which has NOTHING to do with this subject, so why keep moaning about it?); describing people you have never met as "the likes of you" (because...shock...they might not agree with you) in a thread about snowpsorts says it all. You felt abused at someone telling you to get a grip...

It's called in inferiority complex, you got it in spades.





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WeeSam


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Re: An open letter to the new CEO of the Ski Club of GB
Date Posted: 13.18hrs on Wed 21 Jan 15
jabuzzard Wrote:
They do publish accurate information. The problem is that at some point later in time things change and it becomes inaccurate.


Fair enough, but that is like saying a stuck clock is accurate twice a day.

By the nature of our weather, information needs to be updated regularly and accurately.

For example a forecast (if one can be made); plus almost up to the minute information from the slopes. There are web cams installed, they could link to them. I don't know how difficult it would be for automated systems to feed in data at least a few times a day regarding conditons. It can't be that difficult. But it IS what people expect nowadays. We live in a world where up to date, up to the minute, information is not just expected, it is demanded; especially regarding something as changable as Highland weather!

Bad information is worse than no information.


However, you are correct - its a club of members for members. Maybe these members don't really care too much about the conditions in the Highlands?



I wonder how much milage there is in some of the operators approaching the club with some sort of legal letter demanding that false information not be published by the club, because it is damaging business etc? It might backfire because we know the areas themselves can be "creative" with their own descriptions of conditions..hmmm



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Dunc


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7th Oct 2020
Re: An open letter to the new CEO of the Ski Club of GB
Date Posted: 14.34hrs on Wed 21 Jan 15
jabuzzard Wrote:

You have previously said they are irrelevant to you, so it would be entirely reasonable to presume you where not a member.



I think you're getting confused. I have never stated they are irrelevant to me. You must be thinking about another poster.

remote_patrol


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24th Nov 2020
Re: An open letter to the new CEO of the Ski Club of GB
Date Posted: 15.02hrs on Wed 21 Jan 15
of probably more relevance to most folk (given SCGB are pretty far down results for most scottish queries on google, below visitscoland and WH anyway) is googles auto generated results. they've got the open/closed thing right, but last snowfall is listed as april smiling smiley presumably the scrape this info from somewhere, and SCGB would be a likely candidate i guess?


edit: it's a right bugger finding contact details for google to see how that actually works. anyone got any ideas?



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jabuzzard


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23rd Nov 2020
Re: An open letter to the new CEO of the Ski Club of GB
Date Posted: 21.43hrs on Wed 21 Jan 15
WeeSam Wrote:

However, you are correct - its a club of members for members. Maybe these members don't really care too much about the conditions in the Highlands?


The vast majority of skiers in the United Kingdom don't care whether they are members of the SCGB or not.


I wonder how much milage there is in some of the operators approaching the club with some sort of legal letter demanding that false information not be published by the club, because it is damaging business etc? It might backfire because we know the areas themselves can be "creative" with their own descriptions of conditions..hmmm


Nowhere because at the time of update/publication the information is accurate.

jabuzzard


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Re: An open letter to the new CEO of the Ski Club of GB
Date Posted: 21.52hrs on Wed 21 Jan 15
David Goldsmith Wrote:
Two points (I write as a SCGB member who first joined in 1962, served on its Council, and was equipment/associate editor of its magazine for 10+ years) ...


They let you back in? I though you where kicked out for repeatedly calling for the club to be disbanded and making libellous remarks.


1. Every time I copy/paste the SCGB Scottish snow information panel onto the Winterhighland page it speaks for itself. There is no time-dating or other indication that the information was only accurate at 13.00 on a Friday. Your point is made in good faith, but you're an expert in deciphering SCGB 'information'. I call it 'misinformation', because it carries no qualifying explanation.
The central question is why an organisation employing 25+ staff can't spend a few minutes on Saturdays and Sundays doing updates?


You post the quick overview for Scotland, and are doing so to be deliberately disingenuous as what would appear to be part of a personal vendetta against the establishment members the British snowsports sector.

If you actually click through to the detailed information for the resort it gives the last update time for the information as you very well know.



jabuzzard


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Re: An open letter to the new CEO of the Ski Club of GB
Date Posted: 22.03hrs on Wed 21 Jan 15
David Goldsmith Wrote:
There is no time-dating or other indication that the information was only accurate at 13.00 on a Friday. Your point is made in good faith, but you're an expert in deciphering SCGB 'information'. I call it 'misinformation', because it carries no qualifying explanation.


Because I cannot attach a picture after the post I am replying again so we can put to bed your disingenuous miss information. As you can see in this screen capture of a few moments ago there is an update time for all to see.

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moffatross


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Re: An open letter to the new CEO of the Ski Club of GB
Date Posted: 22.24hrs on Wed 21 Jan 15
growwild Wrote:Life wont be same now that I know who tiles the queens bogs, my quest is over...


Uh-oh. You really shouldn't have used the code words on a public forum. That's why winterhighland was down earlier today.

growwild


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Re: An open letter to the new CEO of the Ski Club of GB
Date Posted: 00.48hrs on Thu 22 Jan 15
I noticed that, Alan should get a .onion sorted as back-up.. I've probably bombed my chances of joining SCgb too, cannae really see me passing the security check tae ski and get out ones box wi the elite now, One should watch what ones says sad smiley









DonaldM


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Re: An open letter to the new CEO of the Ski Club of GB
Date Posted: 10.14hrs on Thu 22 Jan 15
I think David is talking about the information that is wrong at the time of publication. Mainly the saying that centres are closed when they are clearly not.

One thing I think we can all agree on is SCGB is not a good place to get information on current ski conditions in, em, GB. If that isn't an issue for them then they should maybe just concentrate on the Alps.

jabuzzard


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Re: An open letter to the new CEO of the Ski Club of GB
Date Posted: 11.26hrs on Thu 22 Jan 15
DonaldM Wrote:
I think David is talking about the information that is wrong at the time of publication. Mainly the saying that centres are closed when they are clearly not.


Unless you define publication at the time you personally read the web page then he is not. It has always been the case in the entirety of his campaign (though I would imagine at times the SCGB do make mistakes) that he takes a situation where the information was correct at time of publication, but is later incorrect due to events on the ground and posts about that. Typically this is where a resort was closed on a Friday but open on Saturday/Sunday. I notice he never posts when it was open on a Friday but was then closed Saturday/Sunday due to bad weather.

He has also been known to grip about reporting after the SCGB stop their winter reporting and Cairngorm might still be open on weekends or something.

There is also the issue of snow depth where he has this notion that if the SCGB report 10cm of snow fell, but there is 1m drifts on the runs, then this information is wrong, because there is more than 10cm of new snow on the run. He seems as do some other people to be unable to intellectually cope with the concept of the new snow fallen being the depth before drifting which is the standard meteorological definition, aka it is the same as they report on the weather forecast on TV.

I do note that David was apparently readmitted to the SCGB on the 6th January this year, after previously been thrown out.

alan


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Re: An open letter to the new CEO of the Ski Club of GB
Date Posted: 11.51hrs on Thu 22 Jan 15
Further more the only people who can "demand" something be changed in a private members club are the members themselves. If you ain't a member shut up and put up.


When the actions of that private members club could continue to carry on damaging the commercial interests of numerous unassociated businesses by the distribution of factually inaccurate mis-information under the banner of most accurate snow reports online, then those affected by the SCGBs actions most certainly can demand change.

Just the other week a French court ruled that the SCGB wasn't a club but an 'English corporate structure'. The implication of that ruling is that the SCGB is a commercial interest masquerading behind the facade of a private members club.

DonaldM


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Re: An open letter to the new CEO of the Ski Club of GB
Date Posted: 14.27hrs on Thu 22 Jan 15
jabuzzard Wrote:
DonaldM Wrote:
I think David is talking about the information that is wrong at the time of publication. Mainly the saying that centres are closed when they are clearly not.


Unless you define publication at the time you personally read the web page then he is not. It has always been the case in the entirety of his campaign (though I would imagine at times the SCGB do make mistakes) that he takes a situation where the information was correct at time of publication, but is later incorrect due to events on the ground and posts about that. Typically this is where a resort was closed on a Friday but open on Saturday/Sunday. I notice he never posts when it was open on a Friday but was then closed Saturday/Sunday due to bad weather.

He has also been known to grip about reporting after the SCGB stop their winter reporting and Cairngorm might still be open on weekends or something.

There is also the issue of snow depth where he has this notion that if the SCGB report 10cm of snow fell, but there is 1m drifts on the runs, then this information is wrong, because there is more than 10cm of new snow on the run. He seems as do some other people to be unable to intellectually cope with the concept of the new snow fallen being the depth before drifting which is the standard meteorological definition, aka it is the same as they report on the weather forecast on TV.

I do note that David was apparently readmitted to the SCGB on the 6th January this year, after previously been thrown out.


Look, I was in Meribel last week and a guy with a SCGB jacket pushed in front of me in the queue when I was buying saucisson. If that is not anti-Scottish racism then I don't know what is!

Sorry, really I am, but if SCGB went out of business in the next five minutes it really wouldn't matter to me at all.

David Goldsmith


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Re: An open letter to the new CEO of the Ski Club of GB
Date Posted: 14.29hrs on Thu 22 Jan 15

Just the other week a French court ruled that the SCGB wasn't a club but an 'English corporate structure'. The implication of that ruling is that the SCGB is a commercial interest masquerading behind the facade of a private members club.


Quite right. The great irony of this point is that the SCGB was founded in 1903 as a strictly defined 'non trade' Club, to the extent that members of the Lunn family were not originally admitted. Henry Lunn, father of Arnold (the greatest historical figure in the organisation of British skiing and creator of slalom racing etc.), was an early tour operator.

The 'commercialisation' of the Ski Club of Great Britain - so blatant in the past couple of decades, but so ineffectual on membership - is central to the problem. The indisciplined 'information' problem we're discussing here seems to go hand in hand with the commercial flim-flam. I worked for the SCGB when it still had a passion for giving skiers the real story - a beacon which Winterhighland carries forward.

This thread's been going since July 2012. It's odd that the minor detail of having someone do 20 mins work on Saturday and Sunday mornings, to update the Scottish reports, still isn't sorted.

DonaldM


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Re: An open letter to the new CEO of the Ski Club of GB
Date Posted: 14.32hrs on Thu 22 Jan 15
Well said David.

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