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Re: Travel in Scottish Government 5 Tier Covid Framework
Date Posted: 18.35hrs on Tue 12 Jan 21
'Most ex brit colony countries handled it well too, we should try what they did if it'll help get back to normal.'
What? like becoming an ex brit colony.
sounds good to me.


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Re: Travel in Scottish Government 5 Tier Covid Framework
Date Posted: 12.28hrs on Wed 13 Jan 21
The lecht snowgates look to have been closed every day for a while now anyway



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Re: Travel in Scottish Government 5 Tier Covid Framework
Date Posted: 18.57hrs on Wed 13 Jan 21
Hate to say it : however I am starting to think this ski season isn't happening.
Schools will be off until at least mid February. So probably mid-March before anyone can travel in Scotland? (... at the very earliest).

Excuse my pessimism sad smiley
If we do get up-lift in spring will be considering it a bonus.

Stay safe / sane everyone.
Better days will come.

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Re: Travel in Scottish Government 5 Tier Covid Framework
Date Posted: 13.39hrs on Fri 15 Jan 21
Got to agree. Unless all the oldies with vaccine in their arms are given a free pass to travel!

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Re: Travel in Scottish Government 5 Tier Covid Framework
Date Posted: 22.47hrs on Sun 17 Jan 21
It'll be a sad world if folk are blackmailed into taking an experimental vaccine for travel and other reasons..

[www.bloomberg.com] The oldies should get a free bus pass and 20 grand for taking part in the trials...



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Re: Travel in Scottish Government 5 Tier Covid Framework
Date Posted: 19.37hrs on Tue 19 Jan 21
Hipennine Wrote:
WeeSam Wrote:
curtain twitcher

ain't you got anything better to do? like minding your own damned business?

Perhaps if the people doing it were obviously terrorists planting dirty bombs to kill people, you might have a different view? But in many respects, this is what the covidiots are doing.


idiot


I can take personal responsibility and take measures to protect myself by choosing NOT to join a queue for a ski lift if I assess that by doing so I am increasing the risk to my health.

not sure what I can do about a terrorist planting random bombs. By equating the two is an absolute outrage for the people who have been maimed and killed going about their own business then getting blown to pieces; like those young girls in Manchester.

you are a effing idiot. Have a word with yourself.



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Re: Travel in Scottish Government 5 Tier Covid Framework
Date Posted: 19.42hrs on Tue 19 Jan 21
growwild Wrote:
Woop Woop

This kent flu is a pain in the ass, we need tae sort it out by any means then build a hard border.

Most ex brit colony countries handled it well too, we should try what they did if it'll help get back to normal.


you forget that you live in a country that is one of the sickest in the world and one of the most obese in the world. And it's underlying health conditions that plague this country that makes our death rate as bad as it is. Underlying health conditions that are so bad that in some parts of Glasgow the life expectancy is lower than the third world and is cited in Medical text books (the Scottish Effect).

Health outcomes are abysmal in this country, and have been so long before Covid, yet suddenly the government are interested in peoples health are are going to extraordinary and unprecedented lengths to protect health; and we have idiots curtain twitching, looking at webcams and equating people going about their own business with terrorists.

If the government was truly interested in keeping people healthy they would ban smoking and alcohol and ration food and make serious attempts into sorting our our horrendous drug epidemic: and it would save more lives than a thousand years of lockdown. Of course, that would never happen and nor should it.



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Re: Travel in Scottish Government 5 Tier Covid Framework
Date Posted: 23.16hrs on Tue 19 Jan 21
WeeSam Wrote:
growwild Wrote:
Woop Woop

This kent flu is a pain in the ass, we need tae sort it out by any means then build a hard border.

Most ex brit colony countries handled it well too, we should try what they did if it'll help get back to normal.

you forget that you live in a country that is one of the sickest in the world and one of the most obese in the world. And it's underlying health conditions that plague this country that makes our death rate as bad as it is. Underlying health conditions that are so bad that in some parts of Glasgow the life expectancy is lower than the third world and is cited in Medical text books (the Scottish Effect).

Health outcomes are abysmal in this country, and have been so long before Covid, yet suddenly the government are interested in peoples health are are going to extraordinary and unprecedented lengths to protect health; and we have idiots curtain twitching, looking at webcams and equating people going about their own business with terrorists.

If the government was truly interested in keeping people healthy they would ban smoking and alcohol and ration food and make serious attempts into sorting our our horrendous drug epidemic: and it would save more lives than a thousand years of lockdown. Of course, that would never happen and nor should it.



Edited 4 times. Last edit at 20.03hrs Tue 19 Jan 21 by WeeSam.


You could do all that in your last paragraph and it probably wouldn’t shift the needle very far on health outcomes in parts of Glasgow. They say you can take the boy out of Glasgow but you can’t take the Glasgow out of the boy, and there’s some evidence that holds for health outcomes - these are problems many generations in the making where poor working conditions and lack of H&S killed many from industrial accidents and illnesses - the suggestion is that removed evolutionary pressure to suppress till much later in life certain illnesses you’d associate with much older people. The harsh reality is if you’ve been cast a dud hand in the gene roulette you can live a healthy lifestyle and still have little chance of making retiring age!

Given what you ranted about, what do you suppose would happen if there wasn’t efforts to suppress the virus? Far more direct deaths and increasing indirect ones as the health system basically ceases to function.

Those complaining about negative effects of Covid on NHS services, how exactly do they suppose having more covid is going to help? The way to reduce ALL the harms is less covid not more -what’s so difficult to grasp?

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Re: Travel in Scottish Government 5 Tier Covid Framework
Date Posted: 09.40hrs on Wed 20 Jan 21
WeeSam Wrote:


idiot


I can take personal responsibility and take measures to protect myself by choosing NOT to join a queue for a ski lift if I assess that by doing so I am increasing the risk to my health.

not sure what I can do about a terrorist planting random bombs. By equating the two is an absolute outrage for the people who have been maimed and killed going about their own business then getting blown to pieces; like those young girls in Manchester.

you are a effing idiot. Have a word with yourself.




Try that argument with the relatives of the 100,000 and rising UK deaths, plus the 10's of thousands of people now suffering from longer term effects such as reduced liver, lung and kidney function, hypoxia, etc. Many of them took personal responsibility but still caught it, all because some infected smartarse decided the rules didn't apply to them.

People who are infected, whether symptomatic or not, will constantly seed virus wherever they go and on whoever they meet. The whole point of the rules is to break that chain of transmission. People who don't follow the rules are a direct threat to the health of me, my family and friends. And you.

And note I said all that without insulting language.

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Re: Travel in Scottish Government 5 Tier Covid Framework
Date Posted: 11.19hrs on Wed 20 Jan 21
Keeping folk destitute and on their knees is quite rightly a problem unless ya run the zombie cult church or the brit government, the worlds monsters...

I know we have a problem with hard drugs like alcohol and nicotine but banning these will just make the city of london richer, they are awready creaming it in from the illegal drug trade. The EU went after the wash house and the elite gave us brexit to protect it... Handing the minority power is why we are here!

Westminster needs burnt down, the lords all need composted and the inbred mafia need to be asset striped then thrown on a fire before theirs change for England and Wales. Scotland will get change as will Ireland soon enough but we cant rely on Government either to make they changes, twas a foreign government that won the last brit election for the tory scum by crushing a wee auld guy who'd have fcked the place right up in a good way.. Waiting for change = thick

The selfish gene needs taken out, be it by lack of breeding with the thick or them snuffing it with a mutated covid or any other horrible end.






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Re: Travel in Scottish Government 5 Tier Covid Framework
Date Posted: 19.22hrs on Wed 20 Jan 21

Those complaining about negative effects of Covid on NHS services, how exactly do they suppose having more covid is going to help? The way to reduce ALL the harms is less covid not more -what’s so difficult to grasp?





Greatly increasing NHS capacity in time for next winter, ( ie the annual peak for
respiratory infections ),would be a welcome move. Getting told to stay at home to save an underfunded/ poorly managed NHS will be wearing a bit thin by this time next year, (if it isn't already). It is supposed to be an emergency service with
plenty of spare capacity, we are all paying the price of 4 decades of cuts and mismanagement.

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Re: Travel in Scottish Government 5 Tier Covid Framework
Date Posted: 23.22hrs on Wed 20 Jan 21
Might be a tenner left for the NHS after buying a few too many nukes and whatever other huge weapons little britain needs to try and stand larger than the wee twat is. The eton bred arsholes spent the rest on giving out huge contracts to their mates and neighbours, local pub landlord, and probably coke dealers new companies for shit they never had a clue about to save us all fae the covid.

I have noticed most the covidiots are of the right wing, do they wanna fck up the fcked up NHS so they can sell it to the elite in their brit brexit nationalistic warped minded 'fck u' to the elite?

Or is it because their freedoms are finaly being corralled? which tells me they are racist and boring as fck dcks...

Wit is yer reasoning WeeSameejit for being a selfish covidiot ?



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Re: Travel in Scottish Government 5 Tier Covid Framework
Date Posted: 21.48hrs on Thu 1 Apr 21
A new statutory instrument updating the Covid Protection Levels with effect from 5th April was published this afternoon.

While there are several changes including revoking a number of the enhanced restrictions which gave effect to the escalation from Level 4 Lockdown to a Stay at Home Lockdown in early January, the requirement for facilities at snowsports areas to be closed to the public now remains as a level 4 restriction.

While not currently relevant to Glenshee, nonetheless Glenshee and Glencoe spent significant time, effort and money pre-season putting in place the systems and protocols for operations under Level 4 - Lockdown on the understanding at the outset of the season that uplift would be permitted at all Covid protection levels, though customers would only be able to travel from the relevant local authorities in Level 3 and 4.

The Lecht has done likewise during Jan and early Feb on the belief that the prohibition on uplift would be temporary.

Instead we have a situation where the prohibition on uplift outlives the Stay at Home lockdown. Also:


A person who is responsible for carrying on a listed business located in a Level 4 area must—
(a)
close to members of the public any premises operated as part of the business,


Thus because snowsports areas are a specifically listed sector required to close under Level 4, non snowsport commercial public operations such as takeaway food from the cafes, summer tubing or lift served sightseeing that otherwise meet the criteria of an outdoor visitor attraction permitted to open under Level 4 must also remain closed.

Our view is that from the perspective of a gradual and cautious route out of the Stay at Home Lockdown, that it would be for many reasons preferable to permit snowsports areas that are able to and wish to re-open, to do so from Monday under Level 4 restrictions where only people in the applicable local authorities can travel, rather than potentially reopen on 26th April with unrestricted travel.

The systems and protocols were in place for safe operation of uplift under Level 4 restrictions. So why are the ski areas still required to be closed?



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Re: Travel in Scottish Government 5 Tier Covid Framework
Date Posted: 00.34hrs on Mon 5 Apr 21
alan Wrote:

The way to reduce ALL the harms is less covid not more - what’s so difficult to grasp?


That's a fallacy. That's why

Reducing covid has increased an enormous number of harms.

1) over 400,000 fewer child welfare and child abuse reports have been filed during the lockdowns
2) 3 million people have missed cancer screenings
3) children have lost a year of education and a year of their lives
4) the mental health of young adults has been destroyed and the number of those with suicidal thoughts has increased to 14%
5) the economy has collapsed. People have lost their businesses. And will lose their homes once the lockdown is over and financial aid is removed,
the list goes on

the cost of reducing covid has been to increase harm overall. This is as plain as the nose on your face.


you should ask yourself that why you are finding it difficult, because you have reduced an infinitely multi-variable problem to a faulty one-dimensional one. That of reducing covid at the expense of all other things.

It's fine for an old person like you to lose a year of your life to lockdown. Every year is much the same as any other. When you are a child, you never get that year back. For a year my young niece never saw another child. She has never met a child of her own age, let alone played with a child. She has not been able to go to nursery and be a child, She is in a house with adults every day. That is not natural, it was forced upon her by people wanting to protect the old. Old people that had the luxury of childhood even when the country was ravaged by much more serious diseases (TB, diphtheria, polio etc,)

Teenagers have not met other teenagers and been able to form friendships and relationships and meet and have sex and live normal lives. You are only 16 once. They have been asked to sacrifice too much for something that is of no harm to them. Their education has been, literally, decimated.

The education of the youngest children, especially the poorest has been halted. The most important years in school lost forever. Poor children will never catch that year up.

The full cost of saving people's lives from covid has not been costed, and it has not even been considered.

It's been fine for nice comfortable middle class people in their nice houses to sponge furlough off the state and sit in the gardens with their nice families.


You have believed that reducing covid is the be all and end all, when more lives could be saved every year by doing simply things like banning smoking, banning alcohol, introducing rationing, banning dangerous sports, banning everything except things prescribed for our health. We don't do these things because we accept that a risk in our lives is more important than a government proscribing what we can do and where we can do it.


The covid cure has been worse than the disease.

The government has made you fearful of life. What happens when another pandemic comes along? And then another. This is not fanciful.

History will judge our obscene reaction to this with shame when the fallout is recorded.

Your one-dimensional analysis is pathetic.

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Re: Travel in Scottish Government 5 Tier Covid Framework
Date Posted: 00.53hrs on Mon 5 Apr 21
alan Wrote:
They say you can take the boy out of Glasgow but you can’t take the Glasgow out of the boy, ...blah bhah


essentially, Glasgow has the worst health outcomes in Europe, and a life expectancy that would shame most third world countries; but that's just the hand you're dealt. Get on with it.

But when mostly old people outside of Glasgow die of a virus, and die at an age that is usually older than the average life expectancy, then country has to cone to a stop.

It's come as an utter surprise to most that the government in Scotland suddenly care about the health of people in Glasgow.

But once they all get the oxford jab, they can go back to snuffing it of old age at the ripe old age of 56. And people go back to not giving a stuff. Just don't let them die of covid between now and then,





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